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	:From Lyon there was '''Philippe Viard''', born in 1809. He had studied at the minor seminary of l’Argentière together with Pierre Bataillon. Ordained for the archdiocese in 1834 he was (as of March 1836) a curate in the town parish of La Guillotière, in easy walking distance from the ''Montée St-Barthélémy'' when the Marist novitiate of Puylata opened there. He was a man of limited ability, but a devout priest with a reputation of successful pastoral work. He had a great devotion to Our Lady of Fourvière and was considered a bit of a saint. He arranged his transfer to the Marists in all secrecy and joined the novitiate on 1 January 1839. He was professed after less than five months.<ref> In the margin of the Mémoires Mayet, Ia, p. 84 - 86, he is described as being not of the brightest: ''peu de moyens! '' His fellow curates once sewed the sheets on his bed together to see how he would react: he just slept in a chair! Talking of bishops Denavit wrote to Colin, 26.06.41 (APM, Bataillon, personal file): ''Ils pensent que la meme charge ne pourrait convenir en aucune façon au Père Viard. Il est trop minutieux et a l’esprit trop embarassé''. In 1846 Colin was annoyed when Viard was made a bishop without consultation of the Society. Cf. MM, IV, p. 551.</ref>		:From Lyon there was '''Philippe Viard''', born in 1809. He had studied at the minor seminary of l’Argentière together with Pierre Bataillon. As a seminarian, he several times served Mass for Pompallier, for whom he remained ''le petit Viard''.<ref> Keys, op. cit. p. 30.</ref> Ordained for the archdiocese in 1834 he was (as of March 1836) a curate in the town parish of La Guillotière, in easy walking distance from the ''Montée St-Barthélémy'' when the Marist novitiate of Puylata opened there. He was a man of limited ability, but a devout priest with a reputation of successful pastoral work. He had a great devotion to Our Lady of Fourvière and was considered a bit of a saint. He arranged his transfer to the Marists in all secrecy and joined the novitiate on 1 January 1839. He was professed after less than five months.<ref> In the margin of the Mémoires Mayet, Ia, p. 84 - 86, he is described as being not of the brightest: ''peu de moyens! '' His fellow curates once sewed the sheets on his bed together to see how he would react: he just slept in a chair! Talking of bishops Denavit wrote to Colin, 26.06.41 (APM, Bataillon, personal file): ''Ils pensent que la meme charge ne pourrait convenir en aucune façon au Père Viard. Il est trop minutieux et a l’esprit trop embarassé''. In 1846 Colin was annoyed when Viard was made a bishop without consultation of the Society. Cf. MM, IV, p. 551.</ref>

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	:In the above mentioned talk to the community of the ''Capucinière'' after receiving the first letters from New Zealand, Colin had also mentioned the possibility of dividing the vast diocese of Bishop Pompallier and appointing other bishops.<ref> [[APAC90\|above, p. 91]], CS, doc. 52 [6]: ''puis la cour de Rome, et moi-même je serai le premier à le solliciter, fera de nouvelles nominations d’évêques, qui se partageront le vaste diocèse de M(..)gneur Pompallier.</ref> These remarks must have become common knowledge. If Colin did not take the initiative of bringing it up with his new missionaries, they will have asked him about it. He confirmed his intention of having Rome erect a new vicariate. Once in New Zealand, they naturally shared it with their confrères.<ref> A few months after their arrival Maxime Petit wrote to Colin: ‘Now that I have heard of your project to have a new apostolic vicariate erected..’, [[Girard0056\|LRO, doc. 56]] [1].</ref>		:In the above mentioned talk to the community of the ''Capucinière'' after receiving the first letters from New Zealand, Colin had also mentioned the possibility of dividing the vast diocese of Bishop Pompallier and appointing other bishops.<ref> [[APAC90#Colin_receives_the_first_letters_from_the_missions\|above, p. 91]], CS, doc. 52 [6]: ''puis la cour de Rome, et moi-même je serai le premier à le solliciter, fera de nouvelles nominations d’évêques, qui se partageront le vaste diocèse de M(..)gneur Pompallier.</ref> These remarks must have become common knowledge. If Colin did not take the initiative of bringing it up with his new missionaries, they will have asked him about it. He confirmed his intention of having Rome erect a new vicariate. Once in New Zealand, they naturally shared it with their confrères.<ref> A few months after their arrival Maxime Petit wrote to Colin: ‘Now that I have heard of your project to have a new apostolic vicariate erected..’, [[Girard0056\|LRO, doc. 56]] [1].</ref>

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	:In the above mentioned talk to the community of the ''Capucinière'' after receiving the first letters from New Zealand, Colin had also mentioned the possibility of dividing the vast diocese of Bishop Pompallier and appointing other bishops.<ref> [[~~APAC91~~\|above, p. 91]], CS, doc. 52 [6]: ''puis la cour de Rome, et moi-même je serai le premier à le solliciter, fera de nouvelles nominations d’évêques, qui se partageront le vaste diocèse de M(..)gneur Pompallier.</ref> These remarks must have become common knowledge. If Colin did not take the initiative of bringing it up with his new missionaries, they will have asked him about it. He confirmed his intention of having Rome erect a new vicariate. Once in New Zealand, they naturally shared it with their confrères.<ref> A few months after their arrival Maxime Petit wrote to Colin: ‘Now that I have heard of your project to have a new apostolic vicariate erected..’, [[Girard0056\|LRO, doc. 56]] [1].</ref>		:In the above mentioned talk to the community of the ''Capucinière'' after receiving the first letters from New Zealand, Colin had also mentioned the possibility of dividing the vast diocese of Bishop Pompallier and appointing other bishops.<ref> [[APAC90\|above, p. 91]], CS, doc. 52 [6]: ''puis la cour de Rome, et moi-même je serai le premier à le solliciter, fera de nouvelles nominations d’évêques, qui se partageront le vaste diocèse de M(..)gneur Pompallier.</ref> These remarks must have become common knowledge. If Colin did not take the initiative of bringing it up with his new missionaries, they will have asked him about it. He confirmed his intention of having Rome erect a new vicariate. Once in New Zealand, they naturally shared it with their confrères.<ref> A few months after their arrival Maxime Petit wrote to Colin: ‘Now that I have heard of your project to have a new apostolic vicariate erected..’, [[Girard0056\|LRO, doc. 56]] [1].</ref>

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	:During the following months enough volunteers came forward for Colin to write to the Propagation of the Faith on 12 April 1839 that he could count on eight to ten missionaries, priests and brothers. They could leave in June. However, the directors advised against sending such a large group. Given the hazards of travelling and of transferring too much money by one and the same occasion, they would rather see Colin divide his missionaries over two groups, which he did. Some Marists expected them to leave again from Bordeaux,<ref> CS, doc. 58 [11].</ref> and thus to Valparaiso, but, possibly again on advice of the directors of the Propagation of the Faith, Colin sent them via London and Sydney.		:During the following months enough volunteers came forward for Colin to write to the Propagation of the Faith on 12 April 1839 that he could count on eight to ten missionaries, priests and brothers. They could leave in June.<ref>CS, doc. 62.</ref> However, the directors advised against sending such a large group. Given the hazards of travelling and of transferring too much money by one and the same occasion, they would rather see Colin divide his missionaries over two groups, which he did. Some Marists expected them to leave again from Bordeaux,<ref> CS, doc. 58 [11].</ref> and thus to Valparaiso, but, possibly again on advice of the directors of the Propagation of the Faith, Colin sent them via London and Sydney.

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	:Colin appointed four priests and one Brother. The first one he assigned was '''Joseph-André Chevron'''. Born in 1808 in Nantua, Haut-Bugey (Ain), diocese of Belley, he entered the seminary and was a brilliant student, earning a ''cum laude'' for his end essay. Being too young for ordination he taught among other places in Belley under Colin as principal.<ref> As a member of the staff he signed a declaration in favour of de Lamennais against the wishes of Colin and the bishop, cf. OM II, p. 424.</ref> He became a priest for the diocese in 1831 and although oversensitive and of precarious health<ref> In the beginning he worried a lot about his health and refers to it on nearly every page of the letters he sent during the journey. </ref>, he asked to be sent to the foreign missions. Mgr. Devie asked him to serve for ten years in the diocese which he did. When, in 1838, he was the parish priest of Montanges he applied again and was given permission to join the Society of Mary. Colin accepted him and immediately assigned him to Oceania. After his departure Colin confided to a friend of Chevron that he admired his strong character, his courage and his generosity so much that he would not hesitate to propose him if a second bishop had to be appointed in Oceania.<ref> A Girard to Alphonse Chevron, brother of Joseph, 14.09.1839, APM, personal file Chevron. Cf. Rozier, ''S. Pierre Chanel ~~d’apr s~~ ceux qui l’ont connu.'', doc. 6.</ref> Until he moved to the Marist community Chevron had kept his plans a secret but when it became known that this highly regarded priest was going to Oceania, a man in his parish who had made no secret of his distaste for anything religious, publicly converted.<ref> MM,V, p. 499. Biography of Chevron in Monfat, ''Les Tonga'', pp. 47 - 82.</ref>		:Colin appointed four priests and one Brother. The first one he assigned was '''Joseph-André Chevron'''. Born in 1808 in Nantua, Haut-Bugey (Ain), diocese of Belley, he entered the seminary and was a brilliant student, earning a ''cum laude'' for his end essay. Being too young for ordination he taught among other places in Belley under Colin as principal.<ref> As a member of the staff he signed a declaration in favour of de Lamennais against the wishes of Colin and the bishop, cf. OM II, p. 424.</ref> He became a priest for the diocese in 1831 and although oversensitive and of precarious health<ref> In the beginning he worried a lot about his health and refers to it on nearly every page of the letters he sent during the journey. </ref>, he asked to be sent to the foreign missions. Mgr. Devie asked him to serve for ten years in the diocese which he did. When, in 1838, he was the parish priest of Montanges he applied again and was given permission to join the Society of Mary. Colin accepted him and immediately assigned him to Oceania. After his departure Colin confided to a friend of Chevron that he admired his strong character, his courage and his generosity so much that he would not hesitate to propose him if a second bishop had to be appointed in Oceania.<ref> A Girard to Alphonse Chevron, brother of Joseph, 14.09.1839, APM, personal file Chevron. Cf. Rozier, ''S. Pierre Chanel d’après ceux qui l’ont connu'', doc. 6.</ref> Until he moved to the Marist community Chevron had kept his plans a secret but when it became known that this highly regarded priest was going to Oceania, a man in his parish who had made no secret of his distaste for anything religious, publicly converted.<ref> MM,V, p. 499. Biography of Chevron in Monfat, ''Les Tonga'', pp. 47 - 82.</ref>

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	:Colin appointed four priests and one Brother. The first one he assigned was '''Joseph-André Chevron'''. Born in 1808 in Nantua, Haut-Bugey (Ain), diocese of Belley, he entered the seminary and was a brilliant student, earning a ''cum laude'' for his end essay. Being too young for ordination he taught among other places in Belley under Colin as principal.<ref> As a member of the staff he signed a declaration in favour of de Lamennais against the wishes of Colin and the bishop, cf. OM II, p. 424.</ref> He became a priest for the diocese in 1831 and although oversensitive and of precarious health<ref> In the beginning he worried a lot about his health and refers to it on nearly every page of the letters he sent during the journey. </ref>, he asked to be sent to the foreign missions. Mgr. Devie asked him to serve for ten years in the diocese which he did. When, in 1838, he was the parish priest of Montanges he applied again and was given permission to join the Society of Mary. Colin accepted him immediately and ~~assigned~~ him to Oceania. Until ~~then~~ Chevron had kept his plans a secret but when it became known that this highly regarded priest was going to Oceania, a man in his parish who had made no secret of his distaste for anything religious, publicly converted.<ref> MM,V, p. 499. Biography of Chevron in Monfat, ''Les Tonga'', pp. 47 - 82.</ref>		:Colin appointed four priests and one Brother. The first one he assigned was '''Joseph-André Chevron'''. Born in 1808 in Nantua, Haut-Bugey (Ain), diocese of Belley, he entered the seminary and was a brilliant student, earning a ''cum laude'' for his end essay. Being too young for ordination he taught among other places in Belley under Colin as principal.<ref> As a member of the staff he signed a declaration in favour of de Lamennais against the wishes of Colin and the bishop, cf. OM II, p. 424.</ref> He became a priest for the diocese in 1831 and although oversensitive and of precarious health<ref> In the beginning he worried a lot about his health and refers to it on nearly every page of the letters he sent during the journey. </ref>, he asked to be sent to the foreign missions. Mgr. Devie asked him to serve for ten years in the diocese which he did. When, in 1838, he was the parish priest of Montanges he applied again and was given permission to join the Society of Mary. Colin accepted him and immediately assigned him to Oceania. After his departure Colin confided to a friend of Chevron that he admired his strong character, his courage and his generosity so much that he would not hesitate to propose him if a second bishop had to be appointed in Oceania.<ref> A Girard to Alphonse Chevron, brother of Joseph, 14.09.1839, APM, personal file Chevron. Cf. Rozier, ''S. Pierre Chanel d’apr s ceux qui l’ont connu.'', doc. 6.</ref> Until he moved to the Marist community Chevron had kept his plans a secret but when it became known that this highly regarded priest was going to Oceania, a man in his parish who had made no secret of his distaste for anything religious, publicly converted.<ref> MM,V, p. 499. Biography of Chevron in Monfat, ''Les Tonga'', pp. 47 - 82.</ref>

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	:The choice of the fourth man illustrates that interest in the Society was extending beyond the dioceses of Lyon and Belley. He was '''Jean-Baptiste Comte''', born in 1810 in Silenzin, Haute Loire, in the diocese of Le Puy. He joined the Marists as a seminarian shortly after the founding chapter of September 1836, and entered the novitiate in Belley, 30 November. He was ordained a priest in March 1838 and continued his novitiate in Puylata in 1838/1839.<ref> APM, personal file </ref>		:The choice of the fourth man illustrates that interest in the Society was extending beyond the dioceses of Lyon and Belley. He was '''Jean-Baptiste Comte''', born in 1810 in Silenzin, Haute Loire, in the diocese of Le Puy. He joined the Marists as a seminarian shortly after the founding chapter of September 1836, and entered the novitiate in Belley, 30 November. He was ordained a priest in March 1838 and continued his novitiate in Puylata in 1838/1839.<ref> APM, personal file </ref>


	: On the Sunday of Pentecost, 19 May, Philippe Viard, Jean-Baptiste Comte and Jean-Baptiste Petit-Jean made their profession in the hands of the superior general, Jean-Claude Colin, assisted by Claude Girard, their novice master, and Pierre Colin, the superior of the house. Joseph-André Chevron who had only just entered, was to do his novitiate on the ship under the direction of Philippe Viard. Four men, as Colin wrote to Fransoni, full of zeal and courage, of proven virtue, sound doctrine and adequate learning.<ref>CS, doc. 82 [6].</ref>