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	:Occasion to the second one, dated 21 September 1839,<ref> CS, doc. 89.</ref> was information about a navy store ship about to leave Brest for New Zealand. Poupinel referred to the nine letters sent since 24 December 1836, that Pompallier listed on 21 May 1838, and assured him that all of them had arrived.<ref> LRO, doc. 24 [10].</ref> He also acknowledged the ones of September 1838.<ref> Pompallier to Colin, 04.09.38 & 14.09.38, resp. LRO, docs 29 & 30. Received in April, cf. above, p. 88.</ref> From later than that one, he tells Pompallier, nothing has been heard in France. There was always a chance that letters had gone astray, he admitted, but it seemed imprudent to send more missionaries until there was further news! The reminder was not unjustified. Apart from the March letter to Meynis and the letter he tore up later,<ref> Pompallier to Meynis (''Propagation de la Foi'') 17.03.39, OPM, H00867, was received in Lyon a few days before Christmas 1839, cf. CS. doc. 119 [1]. On the letter Pompallier tore up, cf. [[APAC114\|above p. 115.]]</ref> Pompallier did not write for a whole year, from September 1838 to August 1839.		:Occasion to the second one, dated 21 September 1839,<ref> CS, doc. 89.</ref> was information about a navy store ship about to leave Brest for New Zealand. Poupinel referred to the nine letters sent since 24 December 1836, that Pompallier listed on 21 May 1838, and assured him that all of them had arrived.<ref> [[Girard0024\|LRO, doc. 24]] [10].</ref> He also acknowledged the ones of September 1838.<ref> Pompallier to Colin, 04.09.38 & 14.09.38, resp. [[Girard0029\|LRO, docs 29 & 30.]] Received in April, cf. above, p. 88.</ref> From later than that one, he tells Pompallier, nothing has been heard in France. There was always a chance that letters had gone astray, he admitted, but it seemed imprudent to send more missionaries until there was further news! The reminder was not unjustified. Apart from the March letter to Meynis and the letter he tore up later,<ref> Pompallier to Meynis (''Propagation de la Foi'') 17.03.39, OPM, H00867, was received in Lyon a few days before Christmas 1839, cf. CS. doc. 119 [1]. On the letter Pompallier tore up, cf. [[APAC114\|above p. 115.]]</ref> Pompallier did not write for a whole year, from September 1838 to August 1839.

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	:On 29 December, Poupinel wrote to inform Pompallier that Baty’s letter from Tahiti had reached Lyon and what information ~~that~~ had given on the 8.700 francs sent in May 1837. He told Pompallier that a letter had arrived of Petitjean from Cape Verde, and informed him of what the government was planning to do for New Zealand, the ~~appoinrment~~ of a French consul and the penal colony in New Guinea, and of what had been written in connection with the project of a school in the Chatham Islands.<ref> CS, doc. 122.</ref>		:On 29 December, Poupinel wrote to inform Pompallier that Baty’s letter from Tahiti had reached Lyon and what information it had given on the 8.700 francs sent in May 1837. He told Pompallier that a letter had arrived of Petitjean from Cape Verde, and informed him of what the government was planning to do for New Zealand, the appointment of a French consul and the penal colony in New Guinea, and of what had been written in connection with the project of a school in the Chatham Islands.<ref> CS, doc. 122. Although the APM have no draft (''minute'') of this letter as is more usual with letters written by Poupinel and signed by Colin, but only a summary, it is typically what Poupinel would have written.</ref>

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Jan: /* Buying land in New Zealand? */

2009-03-28T20:41:19Z

Buying land in New Zealand?

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	:They need not have worried. The missionaries had quickly discovered how much the Polynesian people valued land, in New Zealand as well as in the tropical islands. They saw the Protestant ministers involved in buying land and knew what it did to their reputation. It became a saying among the Maori people: ‘They took our land and gave us a book’.<ref> Jean-Baptiste Comte told his parents of ''~~Wai-mate~~'', a place he visited on a pastoral tour: ‘A splendid place where several Protestant missionaries have established themselves: beautiful gardens, fields full of cattle and sheep, and extensive cultivated lands’ 21.04.40. [[Girard0054\|LRO, doc. 54]] [3]. Petit to Colin, 27.04.40 [[Girard0057\|LRO, doc. 57]] [1].</ref> As a result the Marist missionaries took a more restrictive view than Propaganda in Rome and the Propagation of the Faith in Lyon. When Pompallier bought land around this time from the Maoris at Kororareka, a casual visitor overheard the bishop saying he would ‘hold the land in trust, to be returned to the Maori people when the possession of land would be of greater importance in their eyes than it was at that time.’<ref> R.G. Jameson, a visitor to New Zealand in 1839. The quote (1842) can be found in Simmons, op. cit. p. 43. </ref>		:They need not have worried. The missionaries had quickly discovered how much the Polynesian people valued land, in New Zealand as well as in the tropical islands. They saw the Protestant ministers involved in buying land and knew what it did to their reputation. It became a saying among the Maori people: ‘They took our land and gave us a book’.<ref> Jean-Baptiste Comte told his parents of ''Waimate'', a place he visited on a pastoral tour: ‘A splendid place where several Protestant missionaries have established themselves: beautiful gardens, fields full of cattle and sheep, and extensive cultivated lands’ 21.04.40. [[Girard0054\|LRO, doc. 54]] [3]. Petit to Colin, 27.04.40 [[Girard0057\|LRO, doc. 57]] [1].</ref> As a result the Marist missionaries took a more restrictive view than Propaganda in Rome and the Propagation of the Faith in Lyon. When Pompallier bought land around this time from the Maoris at Kororareka, a casual visitor overheard the bishop saying he would ‘hold the land in trust, to be returned to the Maori people when the possession of land would be of greater importance in their eyes than it was at that time.’<ref> R.G. Jameson, a visitor to New Zealand in 1839. The quote (1842) can be found in Simmons, op. cit. p. 43. </ref>

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	:~~Poupinel’s concern to improve communication shows again when,~~ 29 December, ~~he sent a fourth letter~~ to Pompallier ~~informing him~~ that Baty’s letter from Tahiti had ~~been received in~~ Lyon~~, as well as~~ the ~~one~~ that ~~Petit-Jean sent~~ from Cape Verde.		:On 29 December, Poupinel wrote to inform Pompallier that Baty’s letter from Tahiti had reached Lyon and what information that had given on the 8.700 francs sent in May 1837. He told Pompallier that a letter had arrived of Petitjean from Cape Verde, and informed him of what the government was planning to do for New Zealand, the appoinrment of a French consul and the penal colony in New Guinea, and of what had been written in connection with the project of a school in the Chatham Islands.<ref> CS, doc. 122.</ref>

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	:When Poupinel returned from Paris and Normandy,<ref> During his absence Colin moved from Belley to Lyon, 4, montée St.-Barthélémy (Puylata). </ref> there was good reason to write a third letter to Pompallier, dated 9 November ~~1939~~.<ref> CS, doc. 97.</ref> He was happy to tell the bishop of the enthusiastic support he had met with in Paris, involving several ministries. Naturally he did not forget Soult’s remark: make those islands Catholic and you make them French! He also passes on the foreign minister’s suggestion to have all land deals registered with French naval captains – a thing Pompallier had already done.<ref> When captain Dupetit-Thouars called in the ''Vénus'' in October 1838, cf. above, p. 90. </ref>		:When Poupinel returned from Paris and Normandy,<ref> During his absence Colin moved from Belley to Lyon, 4, montée St.-Barthélémy (Puylata). </ref> there was good reason to write a third letter to Pompallier, dated 9 November 1839.<ref> CS, doc. 97.</ref> He was happy to tell the bishop of the enthusiastic support he had met with in Paris, involving several ministries. Naturally he did not forget Soult’s remark: make those islands Catholic and you make them French! He also passes on the foreign minister’s suggestion to have all land deals registered with French naval captains – a thing Pompallier had already done.<ref> When captain Dupetit-Thouars called in the ''Vénus'' in October 1838, cf. above, p. 90. </ref>

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	:Poupinel accounts for all money sent so far: 8.700 francs in May 1837 to Valparaiso with Captain Brelivet; 2.240,80 francs with Baty in September 1838 and 41.738,60 francs with Petit-Jean via London, in May 1839. Another thousand francs promised by the government in Paris will be sent as soon as possible. By September 1839 nobody in Lyon knew if any of this had reached Pompallier!		:Poupinel accounts for all money sent so far: 8.700 francs in May 1837 to Valparaiso with Captain Brelivet; 2.240,80 francs with Baty in September 1838 and 41.738,60 francs with Petit-Jean via London, in May 1839. Another thousand francs promised by the government in Paris will be sent as soon as possible. By September 1839 nobody in Lyon knew if any of this money had reached Pompallier!

Merv at 02:53, 15 December 2008

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	:The first one, of which we only have a résumé, is dated 24 May, the day after Comte, Chevron and Brother Attale left Lyon. It announced their departure, how much money they carried for the mission and the permission to buy a schooner.<ref> CS, doc. 72. When the second group left, Colin ~~did~~ nothing to notify Pompallier, even though letters through London could have reached him four or five months ahead of their arrival. Cf. above, p. 98.</ref>		:The first one, of which we only have a résumé, is dated 24 May, the day after Comte, Chevron and Brother Attale left Lyon. It announced their departure, how much money they carried for the mission and the permission to buy a schooner.<ref> CS, doc. 72. When the second group left, Colin had done nothing to notify Pompallier, even though letters through London could have reached him four or five months ahead of their arrival. Cf. [[APAC98#Summary\|above, p. 98.]] </ref>

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	:They need not have worried. The missionaries had quickly discovered how much the Polynesian people valued land, in New Zealand as well as in the tropical islands. They saw the Protestant ministers involved in buying land and knew what it did to their reputation. It became a saying among the Maori people: ‘They took our land and gave us a book’.<ref> Jean-Baptiste Comte told his parents of ''Wai-mate'', a place he visited on a pastoral tour: ‘A splendid place where several Protestant missionaries have established themselves: beautiful gardens, fields full of cattle and sheep, and extensive cultivated lands’ 21.04.40. [[Girard0054\|LRO, doc. 54]] [3]. Petit to Colin, 27.04.40 [[Girard0057\|LRO, doc. 57]] [1].</ref> As a result the Marist missionaries took a more restrictive view than Propaganda in Rome and the Propagation of the Faith in Lyon. When Pompallier bought land around this time from the Maoris at Kororareka, a casual visitor overheard the bishop saying he would ‘hold the land in trust, to be returned to the Maori people when the possession of land would be of greater importance in their eyes than it was at that time.’<ref> R.G. Jameson, a visitor to New Zealand in 1839~~, the~~ quote (1842) is in Simmons, op. cit. p. 43. </ref>		:They need not have worried. The missionaries had quickly discovered how much the Polynesian people valued land, in New Zealand as well as in the tropical islands. They saw the Protestant ministers involved in buying land and knew what it did to their reputation. It became a saying among the Maori people: ‘They took our land and gave us a book’.<ref> Jean-Baptiste Comte told his parents of ''Wai-mate'', a place he visited on a pastoral tour: ‘A splendid place where several Protestant missionaries have established themselves: beautiful gardens, fields full of cattle and sheep, and extensive cultivated lands’ 21.04.40. [[Girard0054\|LRO, doc. 54]] [3]. Petit to Colin, 27.04.40 [[Girard0057\|LRO, doc. 57]] [1].</ref> As a result the Marist missionaries took a more restrictive view than Propaganda in Rome and the Propagation of the Faith in Lyon. When Pompallier bought land around this time from the Maoris at Kororareka, a casual visitor overheard the bishop saying he would ‘hold the land in trust, to be returned to the Maori people when the possession of land would be of greater importance in their eyes than it was at that time.’<ref> R.G. Jameson, a visitor to New Zealand in 1839. The quote (1842) can be found in Simmons, op. cit. p. 43. </ref>

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