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	:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent Rouchouze to England in 1833<ref>where he attended the episcopal consecration of Polding, cf. Keys, op. cit. p. 75.</ref> to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> Europe gained its first knowledge of the Pacific Ocean from Vasco Nuñez de Balbao, who saw it from a hill in Panama, on 25.09.1513, looking towards the west. The Spanish discoverers travelled from east to west, and even the Philippines were an extension of their presence in South America. For more than a century the Pacific was seen as ‘a Spanish lake’. Most Dutch, French and British explorers also went from east to west and likewise many whalers, most of whom were from New England. The prevailing winds (called ‘''trade winds’'') are from the south-east in the southern and from the north-east in the northern hemisphere. Only when Great Britain established a significant presence in Australia, radiating into the Pacific, after 1800, did Europe gradually come to look at the Pacific from west to east. [[Girard0007\|LRO, doc. 7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|LRO, doc. 8]] [16]. K.R. Howe, ''Where the Waves Fall'', p.p 69 - 90. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126. Jaspers, op. cit. pp. 181 - 183.</ref>		:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent Rouchouze to England in 1833<ref>where he attended the episcopal consecration of Polding, cf. Keys, op. cit. p. 75.</ref> to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> Europe gained its first knowledge of the Pacific Ocean from Vasco Nuñez de Balbao, who saw it from a hill in Panama, on 25.09.1513, looking towards the west. The Spanish discoverers travelled from east to west, and even the Philippines were an extension of their presence in South America. For more than a century the Pacific was seen as ‘a Spanish lake’. Most Dutch, French and British explorers also went from east to west and likewise many whalers, most of whom were from New England. The prevailing winds (called ‘''trade winds’'') are from the south-east in the southern and from the north-east in the northern hemisphere. Only when Great Britain established a significant presence in Australia, radiating into the Pacific, after 1800, did Europe gradually come to look at the Pacific from west to east. [[Girard0007\|LRO, doc. 7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|LRO, doc. 8]] [16]. K.R. Howe, ''Where the Waves Fall'', pp. 69 - 90. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126. Jaspers, op. cit. pp. 181 - 183.</ref>

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	:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent Rouchouze to England in 1833<ref>where he attended the episcopal consecration of Polding, cf. Keys, op. cit. p. 75.</ref> to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> Europe gained its first knowledge of the Pacific Ocean from Vasco Nuñez de Balbao, who saw it from a hill in Panama, on 25.09.1513., looking towards the west. The Spanish discoverers travelled from east to west, and even the Philippines were an extension of their presence in South America. For more than a century the Pacific was seen as ‘a Spanish lake’. Most Dutch, French and British explorers also went from east to west and likewise many whalers, most of whom were from New England. The prevailing winds (called ‘''trade winds’'') are from the south-east in the southern and from the north-east in the northern hemisphere. Only when Great Britain established a significant presence in Australia, radiating into the Pacific, after 1800, did Europe gradually come to look at the Pacific from west to east~~. LRO, docs~~. [[Girard0007\|7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|8]] [16]. K.R. Howe, Where the Waves Fall, p.p 69 - 90. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126. Jaspers, op. cit. pp. 181 - 183.</ref>		:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent Rouchouze to England in 1833<ref>where he attended the episcopal consecration of Polding, cf. Keys, op. cit. p. 75.</ref> to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> Europe gained its first knowledge of the Pacific Ocean from Vasco Nuñez de Balbao, who saw it from a hill in Panama, on 25.09.1513, looking towards the west. The Spanish discoverers travelled from east to west, and even the Philippines were an extension of their presence in South America. For more than a century the Pacific was seen as ‘a Spanish lake’. Most Dutch, French and British explorers also went from east to west and likewise many whalers, most of whom were from New England. The prevailing winds (called ‘''trade winds’'') are from the south-east in the southern and from the north-east in the northern hemisphere. Only when Great Britain established a significant presence in Australia, radiating into the Pacific, after 1800, did Europe gradually come to look at the Pacific from west to east. [[Girard0007\|LRO, doc. 7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|LRO, doc. 8]] [16]. K.R. Howe, ''Where the Waves Fall'', p.p 69 - 90. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126. Jaspers, op. cit. pp. 181 - 183.</ref>

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	:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent Rouchouze to England in 1833<ref>where he attended the episcopal consecration of Polding, cf. Keys, op. cit. p. 75.</ref> to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> ~~Jaspers~~, op. ~~cit~~., pp. ~~181–183~~. LRO, docs. [[Girard0007\|7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|8]] [16]. ~~That Propaganda saw Western Oceania in this way is shown also in~~ the ~~fact that Pompallier had received the same faculties as Rouchouze~~. Cf. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126.</ref>		:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent Rouchouze to England in 1833<ref>where he attended the episcopal consecration of Polding, cf. Keys, op. cit. p. 75.</ref> to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> Europe gained its first knowledge of the Pacific Ocean from Vasco Nuñez de Balbao, who saw it from a hill in Panama, on 25.09.1513., looking towards the west. The Spanish discoverers travelled from east to west, and even the Philippines were an extension of their presence in South America. For more than a century the Pacific was seen as ‘a Spanish lake’. Most Dutch, French and British explorers also went from east to west and likewise many whalers, most of whom were from New England. The prevailing winds (called ‘''trade winds’'') are from the south-east in the southern and from the north-east in the northern hemisphere. Only when Great Britain established a significant presence in Australia, radiating into the Pacific, after 1800, did Europe gradually come to look at the Pacific from west to east. LRO, docs. [[Girard0007\|7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|8]] [16]. K.R. Howe, Where the Waves Fall, p.p 69 - 90. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126. Jaspers, op. cit. pp. 181 - 183.</ref>

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	:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent Rouchouze to England in 1833<ref>where he attended the ~~espicopal~~ consecration of Polding, cf. Keys, op. cit. p. 75.</ref> to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> Jaspers, op. cit., pp. 181–183. LRO, docs. [[Girard0007\|7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|8]] [16]. That Propaganda saw Western Oceania in this way is shown also in the fact that Pompallier had received the same faculties as Rouchouze. Cf. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126.</ref>		:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent Rouchouze to England in 1833<ref>where he attended the episcopal consecration of Polding, cf. Keys, op. cit. p. 75.</ref> to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> Jaspers, op. cit., pp. 181–183. LRO, docs. [[Girard0007\|7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|8]] [16]. That Propaganda saw Western Oceania in this way is shown also in the fact that Pompallier had received the same faculties as Rouchouze. Cf. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126.</ref>

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	:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent ~~men~~ to England in 1833 to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> Jaspers, op. cit., pp. 181–183. LRO, docs. [[Girard0007\|7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|8]] [16]. That Propaganda saw Western Oceania in this way is shown also in the fact that Pompallier had received the same faculties as Rouchouze. Cf. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126.</ref>		:The contacts in Le Havre confirmed what Pastre had already pointed out in September 1835<ref> OM I, doc. 343.</ref> and what Pompallier would have heard from Coudrin in August 1836, i.e., that there were better ways to go to Oceania than around Cape Horn and via Valparaiso. A shipping agent in the port pointed out that there was more regular and faster shipping from English ports directly to the Pacific. He had business connections in England and offered to assist them with mail. Father Coudrin had sent Rouchouze to England in 1833<ref>where he attended the espicopal consecration of Polding, cf. Keys, op. cit. p. 75.</ref> to explore ways of getting to the Pacific. They too had learned that the eastern route around Cape Good Hope and Australia was by far the better one. Propaganda had been told, but for the Roman dignitaries the Marist mission was an extension of the already established Picpus mission, and Valparaiso, the ‘Macao of Oceania’, was the right place to start from. At this stage, the Marists could do nothing but follow the traces of the Picpus missionaries to the Eastern Pacific and hope for the best.<ref> Jaspers, op. cit., pp. 181–183. LRO, docs. [[Girard0007\|7]] [12] & [[Girard0008\|8]] [16]. That Propaganda saw Western Oceania in this way is shown also in the fact that Pompallier had received the same faculties as Rouchouze. Cf. Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 126.</ref>

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	:Bishop Pompallier, accompanied by Claude Bret and Brother Joseph-Xavier Luzy also stopped at Rouen. While his companions visited the local churches, Pompallier went to see the Archbishop, the Prince Cardinal De Croy, Grand~~-Chaplain~~ of France. This high dignitary and long-time promotor, in fact co-founder, of the Propagation of the Faith,<ref> [[Girard0001\|LRO, doc. 1]] [3]. EC, doc. 27 [8]; Lillian Keys, ''The Life and Times of Bishop Pompallier'', p. 32.</ref> had been involved in the early planning of the missions to the South Pacific in 1829 under de Solages and in getting the government to support it (nothing had come of it).<ref> Jaspers, op. cit., pp. 166, 171, 179.</ref> Father Coudrin had been the Cardinal Archbishop’s vicar general,<ref> Rademakers, ''Geroepen om te dienen'', p. 61</ref> and he was asking for faculties for his missionaries leaving through Le Havre which fell within the boundaries of the archdiocese of Rouen. The Marists too received faculties for the duration of their stay. Pompallier’s visit to a highly political figure like the Prince Cardinal can only have helped his attempts to get government support for the new mission, especially as de Croy had been involved also in the founding of the new Picpus mission in South-Eastern Oceania in 1833.<ref> Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 75.</ref> Pompallier will have come away with extensive information on many things, especially on the political background of the government supporting missions. Remarkably, he does not mention this visit in his otherwise detailed letters to Colin from Le Havre.		:Bishop Pompallier, accompanied by Claude Bret and Brother Joseph-Xavier Luzy also stopped at Rouen. While his companions visited the local churches, Pompallier went to see the Archbishop, the Prince Cardinal De Croy, Grand Almoner of France. This high dignitary and long-time promotor, in fact co-founder, of the Propagation of the Faith,<ref> [[Girard0001\|LRO, doc. 1]] [3]. EC, doc. 27 [8]; Lillian Keys, ''The Life and Times of Bishop Pompallier'', p. 32.</ref> had been involved in the early planning of the missions to the South Pacific in 1829 under de Solages and in getting the government to support it (nothing had come of it).<ref> Jaspers, op. cit., pp. 166, 171, 179.</ref> Father Coudrin had been the Cardinal Archbishop’s vicar general,<ref> Rademakers, ''Geroepen om te dienen'', p. 61</ref> and he was asking for faculties for his missionaries leaving through Le Havre which fell within the boundaries of the archdiocese of Rouen. The Marists too received faculties for the duration of their stay. Pompallier’s visit to a highly political figure like the Prince Cardinal can only have helped his attempts to get government support for the new mission, especially as de Croy had been involved also in the founding of the new Picpus mission in South-Eastern Oceania in 1833.<ref> Wiltgen, op. cit., p. 75.</ref> Pompallier will have come away with extensive information on many things, especially on the political background of the government supporting missions. Remarkably, he does not mention this visit in his otherwise detailed letters to Colin from Le Havre.

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	:Hearing that their departure had been delayed, Terraillon wrote Pompallier an encouraging letter in which he called him the Francis Xavier of the Society of Mary, waiting in Le Havre just as his ~~great~~ predecessor had waited in Lisbon to depart for the first great mission of the Orient. The letter got to Le Havre after they had left. Where and when Pompallier received it, we do not know, but he treasured it: it is preserved in the Auckland diocesan archives.<ref> CS, doc. 8. Cf. Terraillon’s letter, in similar words, to Chanut, 03.02.1839, CS 58 [11].</ref>		:Hearing that their departure had been delayed, Terraillon wrote Pompallier an encouraging letter in which he called him the Francis Xavier of the Society of Mary, waiting in Le Havre just as his predecessor had waited in Lisbon to depart for the first great mission of the Orient. The letter got to Le Havre after they had left. Where and when Pompallier received it, we do not know, but he treasured it: it is preserved in the Auckland diocesan archives.<ref> CS, doc. 8. Cf. Terraillon’s letter, in similar words, to Chanut, 03.02.1839, CS 58 [11].</ref>

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	:In Le Havre the world opened up. Pompallier told Colin that the knowledge of English and Spanish would be important for future missionaries. Servant studied Spanish with a Picpus missionary. Chanel, Bret and Bataillon did English with a priest leaving for Lousiana.<ref> ~~LRO, docs.~~ [[Girard0007\|7]] [18] & [[Girard0008\|8]] [3], EC, doc. 33 [3]. </ref>		:In Le Havre the world opened up. Pompallier told Colin that the knowledge of English and Spanish would be important for future missionaries. Servant studied Spanish with a Picpus missionary. Chanel, Bret and Bataillon did English with a priest leaving for Lousiana.<ref> [[Girard0007\|LRO, doc. 7]] [18] & [[Girard0008\|LRO, doc. 8]] [3]; EC, doc. 33 [3].</ref>